Playing The Game: Poker & Trading (w/ Denise Shull) | Mental Game of Trading

Added on May 14, 2019 From Real Vision Finance

Denise Shull of the ReThink Group notes the attraction that many traders have to the game of poker. In this episode, she digs into the similarities and more importantly, the differences, between playing card games and trading financial markets.

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Playing The Game: Poker & Trading (w/ Denise Shull) | Mental Game of Trading
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I'm Denise Shull, a performance coach for hedge fund managers, traders, professional
athletes, and now, some corporate warriors. I founded the ReThink Group, we think of it as a decision
consultancy, although I think we're probably known for peak performance, using neuroscience and modern
psychoanalysis to help people really deliver their best performances in any realm actually.
Poker and portfolio managers generally go hand in hand. Not all portfolio managers play poker, but a lot
of them and a lot of traders play poker too. There's a certain appeal to it, I think, because it's like the
markets. And it is, in many ways, a good analogy. The markets are a global poker game, really. You have
all these participants who are looking at these numbers, making bets on their relative value, just like the
poker table- making bets on the relative value. And in poker, you sort of win not with the cards, but by
betting against other people's bets, right? It's really about figuring out who's bluffing and who's not.
So, that's also true in markets, not that anyone's bluffing. But that you win in markets, like the neuroscience
shows that those who are best at predicting price action are predicting the people. Our brains are very
social, the market is effectively social, the value of any given thing at any given moment is just a collective
social perception, right? There's not some, like, be all end all truth over here that says this is worth that,
because tomorrow, it's worth something different. So, you're always betting against what other people are
thinking, which is really the way you win in poker. So, that's why there's a good parallel.
The thing about that markets, though, is like the cards change. At least in poker, the cards do mean what
they mean. They don't in the markets, like the relationship between bonds and the dollar, or the gold and
oil, or whatever is going to change. Now, the relationship between aces and the kings isn't changing. So,
the markets are actually harder than poker, but the process of practicing thinking about, like, what cards
do these people have? And how are they betting? Like that process is good practice for market decision
making.


50 Likes,     16 Dislikes,     1944 Views,     9 Comments

Eric Swan Says:

May 15, 2019 - If you lose a hand in poker you lose the hand. If your trade goes the wrong and your trading long ,you can wait for the stock to go back up.

Walter Lewis Says:

May 15, 2019 - I love this video!!!!

eugyero Says:

May 15, 2019 - Whoever brought this dumbass for an interview should be fired.

TheGmr140 Says:

May 15, 2019 - play the game, buy AXGT stock

David Chorak Says:

May 14, 2019 - Weak analogy mama. You’re not betting against anyone’s bets at all. Just the opposite. You’re trying to be in harmony with the market, cause the market is never wrong. Did I mention the market is never wrong. Cause you cannot beat the market... you get in harmony and go with the flow and the market rewards you.
Out of curiosity? Do you work for a Bankruptcy attorney. Just wondering.

Kartyman550 Says:

May 14, 2019 - The real life Wendy Rhoads



http://poker.irish/ Denise Shull of the ReThink Group notes the attraction that many traders have to the game of poker. In this episode, she digs into the similarities and more importantly, the differences, between playing card games and trading financial markets. Watch more Real Vision™ videos: http://po.st/RealVisionVideos Subscribe to Real Vision™ on YouTube: http://po.st/RealVisionSubscribe Watch more by starting your 14-day free trial here: https://rvtv.io/2Hkfn3l About Mental Game of Trading: Professional trading coaches and psychologists provide thought-provoking and actionable advice to help make you a better investor. About Real Vision™: Real Vision™ is the destination for the world’s most successful investors to share their thoughts about what’s happening in today's markets. Think: TED Talks for Finance. On Real Vision™ you get exclusive access to watch the most successful investors, hedge fund managers and traders who share their frank and in-depth investment insights with no agenda, hype or bias. Make smart investment decisions and grow your portfolio with original content brought to you by the biggest names in finance, who get to say what they really think on Real Vision™. Connect with Real Vision™ Online: Twitter: https://rvtv.io/2p5PrhJ Instagram: https://rvtv.io/2J7Ddlw Facebook: https://rvtv.io/2NNOlmu Linkedin: https://rvtv.io/2xbskqx Playing The Game: Poker & Trading (w/ Denise Shull) | Mental Game of Trading https://www.youtube.com/c/RealVisionTelevision Transcript: For the full transcript: https://rvtv.io/2Hkfn3l I'm Denise Shull, a performance coach for hedge fund managers, traders, professional athletes, and now, some corporate warriors. I founded the ReThink Group, we think of it as a decision consultancy, although I think we're probably known for peak performance, using neuroscience and modern psychoanalysis to help people really deliver their best performances in any realm actually. Poker and portfolio managers generally go hand in hand. Not all portfolio managers play poker, but a lot of them and a lot of traders play poker too. There's a certain appeal to it, I think, because it's like the markets. And it is, in many ways, a good analogy. The markets are a global poker game, really. You have all these participants who are looking at these numbers, making bets on their relative value, just like the poker table- making bets on the relative value. And in poker, you sort of win not with the cards, but by betting against other people's bets, right? It's really about figuring out who's bluffing and who's not. So, that's also true in markets, not that anyone's bluffing. But that you win in markets, like the neuroscience shows that those who are best at predicting price action are predicting the people. Our brains are very social, the market is effectively social, the value of any given thing at any given moment is just a collective social perception, right? There's not some, like, be all end all truth over here that says this is worth that, because tomorrow, it's worth something different. So, you're always betting against what other people are thinking, which is really the way you win in poker. So, that's why there's a good parallel. The thing about that markets, though, is like the cards change. At least in poker, the cards do mean what they mean. They don't in the markets, like the relationship between bonds and the dollar, or the gold and oil, or whatever is going to change. Now, the relationship between aces and the kings isn't changing. So, the markets are actually harder than poker, but the process of practicing thinking about, like, what cards do these people have? And how are they betting? Like that process is good practice for market decision making.